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		<title>By: "Open" "source" &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-3964</link>
		<dc:creator>"Open" "source" &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2023 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] visited the subject of systemd in the past, so let's take this example again. It's no news that the systemdization of "GNU"3/Linux [...]</description>
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		<title>By: OpenBSD, or how I review software projects &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-3337</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenBSD, or how I review software projects &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2022 17:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] use it irrespective of other considerations, and quite irrespective if its userland comes with a systemd or some other abomination. In other words, I'm really not that involved or invested in that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] use it irrespective of other considerations, and quite irrespective if its userland comes with a systemd or some other abomination. In other words, I'm really not that involved or invested in that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: An absolutely filthy recipe for mirroring Debian repositories &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>An absolutely filthy recipe for mirroring Debian repositories &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2020 16:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] project has seen its share of rape throughout time, the raping coming from both within and without. Thus at some point I stopped installing Debian on new systems, then I played with it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mircea Popescu</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Mircea Popescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, the night of reason births Clintons.</description>
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		<title>By: spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-183</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Dec 2019 12:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; pe bune acuma, ca cistigase Paunescu ? Ce cistigase omu' ?

Susținere dă la șefu'? Other than that, fuck if I know.

The general point of this article is that systemd got to infect most Linux OSen, among others because &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor/" rel="nofollow"&gt;the fuckers&lt;/a&gt; didn't even bother to oppose it properly. Not that it matters too much, sure, but they did grab political control over init, udev and a bunch of other user space utilities, and they wanted to even insert their shit in the kernel, only well, that didn't happen fortunately.

Other than that, sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> pe bune acuma, ca cistigase Paunescu ? Ce cistigase omu' ?</p>
<p>Susținere dă la șefu'? Other than that, fuck if I know.</p>
<p>The general point of this article is that systemd got to infect most Linux OSen, among others because <a href="http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor/" rel="nofollow">the fuckers</a> didn't even bother to oppose it properly. Not that it matters too much, sure, but they did grab political control over init, udev and a bunch of other user space utilities, and they wanted to even insert their shit in the kernel, only well, that didn't happen fortunately.</p>
<p>Other than that, sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Mircea Popescu</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Mircea Popescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Dec 2019 01:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;At the end of the day, systemd has won by being integrated into the democratic ecosystem that is GNU/Linux.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No dude, systemd "won" by having the correct letters patent from hitler, exactly the way Iliescy "won" some "elections" or &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2015/corina-chiriac-recital-mamaia86/" rel="nofollow"&gt;that dumb bitch&lt;/a&gt; singing about &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSM9lSVOGBQ" rel="nofollow"&gt;an orange&lt;/a&gt; "won" &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2011/un-rasad-uscat/" rel="nofollow"&gt;nothing in particular&lt;/a&gt;. Can you believe that dumb shit, watch that explosively stupid video and get back to me, what the fuck winnings were those, what was won and &lt;em&gt;on what merit&lt;/em&gt; ?

Yet this is how "democracy" aka socialism works out in practice, all sorts of nullities "win" imaginary "contests" through the inexplicable process of... how did Spritney Bears become "famous" or why was "Harry Potter" inexplicably deemed a book for a few short years ? They "win" and then &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2018/you-know-who-the-best-us-president-was-how-about-andrew-johnson/#footnote_2_78910" rel="nofollow"&gt;do exactly nothing&lt;/a&gt; with the "winnings" they "won", for the transparently self-obvious reason that there wasn't anything fucking there to begin with. 

If the cheesy cunts stranded at some church camp in inner mongolia / northern indiana, some god forsaken spurious tards who genuinely believe jesus was in bethlehem at abouts the time of his birth because &lt;em&gt;julius caesar&lt;/em&gt; had ordered a &lt;em&gt;census&lt;/em&gt; and joseph was (allignedly with medieval views of his intellectual capacities) quite fucking dumb enough to "return home" for it -- a belief they formed through &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#footnote_6_65060" rel="nofollow"&gt;self-directed&lt;/a&gt; "&lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/" rel="nofollow"&gt;research&lt;/a&gt;" of &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2011/hai-sa-facem-un-exercitiu/?b=Joseph%20Smith%20dictating&#38;e=plates#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;the kind typical there&lt;/a&gt; (and yes this is a true story, yet not in the slightest &lt;em&gt;singular&lt;/em&gt;, let alone unique or even vaguely peculiar, it's in fact as american as french pie) -- decide Joe, some retarded local boy with a square neck, a squarer jaw and a perfectly square hayseed in between the square teeth protruding from it is "the true and real Napoleon"... well ? What the fuck's that do for anyone ? Did he "win" "napoleonicity" now ? Similar itinerant primitive populations, vagrants, gypsies, whatever morons also might pretend some random urchin is "the real Madonna" or what have you. Los Angeles sect agricol Ilfov, what the fuck's the problem, &lt;em&gt;it's just a name&lt;/em&gt;. They didn't thereby &lt;em&gt;win&lt;/em&gt; Losangelesitode, have they now ? It's a word. It's just a fucking name, it doesn't &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; anything -- especially it wins exactly nothing in any sense that conserves the possibility of meaning.

One could have said in 2014 "sure, it won -- coupla more winnings like that win and there won't be anything left to lose" ; and then by 2019 the prediction included would have been pretty much exactly carried to term. Somebody didn't [bother to] ; what's changed therefore ?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I must confess I don't really know why&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's simple : there's absolutely nothing there. No why whatsoever, if you go to the chicken coop to pick a chicken to be &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/?b=Daca%20miine&#38;e=ca%20ei#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;cut for dinner&lt;/a&gt; what's the chicken you picked won &lt;em&gt;and why did you pick it&lt;/em&gt; ? Every highschool before the internet had a male teacher who was the cursed/designated falling-in-love endpoint for retarded girlies, what did he win ? And what was great sin or crime is he expiating through these "winnings" ? If you go on vacation for a coupla weeks and the people there decide you're "their" Adriano Celentano, what's the why involved ?

&lt;blockquote&gt;these guys (especially Poettering) have a damn good idea what they want to do and where they're going, unlike many other free software, open source projects.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, totally, the &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/?b=Hearn&#38;e=stain#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;Protero&lt;/a&gt;s know exactly what NSA told them they have to do so that its vague &#38; hopeless yet systematically bureaucratic "continuity plans" through "technological disruption" float, according to its own "threat assesement" and "evolution models" built entirely out of &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2013/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket/" rel="nofollow"&gt;rice&lt;/a&gt;. Big fucking whoop ; bother to follow the history of &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2010/la-moartea-lui-adrian-paunescu/#comment-34565" rel="nofollow"&gt;that guy I killed&lt;/a&gt; and his Flacara "opposition to communism", and notice it's 100% Poettering, and 100% every other exactly identical this-device-of-socialism. Because they must be, how the fuck else would it work, the car goes on wheels, they're round and they spin, socialism goes on stupid, it's stupid and stupid, there's not ever going to be any change because stupidity's already, definitionally, at the lowest potential level available.

Sa ti-o zic si-n engleza ? De ce erau toti puletii la cenaclu' Flacara acolo, pe bune acuma, ca cistigase Paunescu ? Ce cistigase omu' ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>At the end of the day, systemd has won by being integrated into the democratic ecosystem that is GNU/Linux.</p></blockquote>
<p>No dude, systemd "won" by having the correct letters patent from hitler, exactly the way Iliescy "won" some "elections" or <a href="http://trilema.com/2015/corina-chiriac-recital-mamaia86/" rel="nofollow">that dumb bitch</a> singing about <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSM9lSVOGBQ" rel="nofollow">an orange</a> "won" <a href="http://trilema.com/2011/un-rasad-uscat/" rel="nofollow">nothing in particular</a>. Can you believe that dumb shit, watch that explosively stupid video and get back to me, what the fuck winnings were those, what was won and <em>on what merit</em> ?</p>
<p>Yet this is how "democracy" aka socialism works out in practice, all sorts of nullities "win" imaginary "contests" through the inexplicable process of... how did Spritney Bears become "famous" or why was "Harry Potter" inexplicably deemed a book for a few short years ? They "win" and then <a href="http://trilema.com/2018/you-know-who-the-best-us-president-was-how-about-andrew-johnson/#footnote_2_78910" rel="nofollow">do exactly nothing</a> with the "winnings" they "won", for the transparently self-obvious reason that there wasn't anything fucking there to begin with. </p>
<p>If the cheesy cunts stranded at some church camp in inner mongolia / northern indiana, some god forsaken spurious tards who genuinely believe jesus was in bethlehem at abouts the time of his birth because <em>julius caesar</em> had ordered a <em>census</em> and joseph was (allignedly with medieval views of his intellectual capacities) quite fucking dumb enough to "return home" for it -- a belief they formed through <a href="http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#footnote_6_65060" rel="nofollow">self-directed</a> "<a href="http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/" rel="nofollow">research</a>" of <a href="http://trilema.com/2011/hai-sa-facem-un-exercitiu/?b=Joseph%20Smith%20dictating&amp;e=plates#select" rel="nofollow">the kind typical there</a> (and yes this is a true story, yet not in the slightest <em>singular</em>, let alone unique or even vaguely peculiar, it's in fact as american as french pie) -- decide Joe, some retarded local boy with a square neck, a squarer jaw and a perfectly square hayseed in between the square teeth protruding from it is "the true and real Napoleon"... well ? What the fuck's that do for anyone ? Did he "win" "napoleonicity" now ? Similar itinerant primitive populations, vagrants, gypsies, whatever morons also might pretend some random urchin is "the real Madonna" or what have you. Los Angeles sect agricol Ilfov, what the fuck's the problem, <em>it's just a name</em>. They didn't thereby <em>win</em> Losangelesitode, have they now ? It's a word. It's just a fucking name, it doesn't <em>do</em> anything -- especially it wins exactly nothing in any sense that conserves the possibility of meaning.</p>
<p>One could have said in 2014 "sure, it won -- coupla more winnings like that win and there won't be anything left to lose" ; and then by 2019 the prediction included would have been pretty much exactly carried to term. Somebody didn't [bother to] ; what's changed therefore ?</p>
<blockquote><p>I must confess I don't really know why</p></blockquote>
<p>It's simple : there's absolutely nothing there. No why whatsoever, if you go to the chicken coop to pick a chicken to be <a href="http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/?b=Daca%20miine&amp;e=ca%20ei#select" rel="nofollow">cut for dinner</a> what's the chicken you picked won <em>and why did you pick it</em> ? Every highschool before the internet had a male teacher who was the cursed/designated falling-in-love endpoint for retarded girlies, what did he win ? And what was great sin or crime is he expiating through these "winnings" ? If you go on vacation for a coupla weeks and the people there decide you're "their" Adriano Celentano, what's the why involved ?</p>
<blockquote><p>these guys (especially Poettering) have a damn good idea what they want to do and where they're going, unlike many other free software, open source projects.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, totally, the <a href="http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/?b=Hearn&amp;e=stain#select" rel="nofollow">Protero</a>s know exactly what NSA told them they have to do so that its vague &amp; hopeless yet systematically bureaucratic "continuity plans" through "technological disruption" float, according to its own "threat assesement" and "evolution models" built entirely out of <a href="http://trilema.com/2013/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket/" rel="nofollow">rice</a>. Big fucking whoop ; bother to follow the history of <a href="http://trilema.com/2010/la-moartea-lui-adrian-paunescu/#comment-34565" rel="nofollow">that guy I killed</a> and his Flacara "opposition to communism", and notice it's 100% Poettering, and 100% every other exactly identical this-device-of-socialism. Because they must be, how the fuck else would it work, the car goes on wheels, they're round and they spin, socialism goes on stupid, it's stupid and stupid, there's not ever going to be any change because stupidity's already, definitionally, at the lowest potential level available.</p>
<p>Sa ti-o zic si-n engleza ? De ce erau toti puletii la cenaclu' Flacara acolo, pe bune acuma, ca cistigase Paunescu ? Ce cistigase omu' ?</p>
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		<title>By: Assorted notes on bootstrapping Cuntoo &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>Assorted notes on bootstrapping Cuntoo &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2019 16:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Debian, because it's the operating system that's delivered the most bits of productivity to me in the last twelve years or so. Wheezy, because as far as I know it's the last version that doesn't completely suck balls.&#160;&#8617; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Debian, because it's the operating system that's delivered the most bits of productivity to me in the last twelve years or so. Wheezy, because as far as I know it's the last version that doesn't completely suck balls.&#160;&#8617; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Glasgow Haskell Compiler no longer suitable for teaching &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Glasgow Haskell Compiler no longer suitable for teaching &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the same kind of idiotic attitude that projects such as systemd are trying to push, and while they're winning in the face of community resignation, that doesn't make these changes any less [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The myth of "software engineering" &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
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		<dc:creator>The myth of "software engineering" &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Unix philosophy, are uncoincidentally the same as those brought in the "SysVinit versus systemd" debate: while init scripts have various issues, performance being but one of them, the hard [...]</description>
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