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	<title>Comments on: "But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."</title>
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	<description>"Now I feel like I know less about what that blog is about than I did before."</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Twin Peaks, the original series &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2020/but-the-real-universe-is-always-one-step-beyond-logic#comment-6776</link>
		<dc:creator>Twin Peaks, the original series &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2025 15:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and in their changing, the good folks of Twin Peaks ran into that age-old problem of becoming unable to make sense of the things happening around and within [...]</description>
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		<title>By: My Dinner with Andre &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2020/but-the-real-universe-is-always-one-step-beyond-logic#comment-5892</link>
		<dc:creator>My Dinner with Andre &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2025 19:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on, well, life! and mainly on that old issue of perception/belief that I've beaten into a pulp on my blog thus far; otherwise put as the question of why people are so fucking stupid and can't [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on, well, life! and mainly on that old issue of perception/belief that I've beaten into a pulp on my blog thus far; otherwise put as the question of why people are so fucking stupid and can't [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On science &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2020/but-the-real-universe-is-always-one-step-beyond-logic#comment-5262</link>
		<dc:creator>On science &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just that: a support, an aide for conceptualization, nothing more. Which is why uncoincidentally it breaks so often in the face of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just that: a support, an aide for conceptualization, nothing more. Which is why uncoincidentally it breaks so often in the face of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A materialist perspective on metaphysics &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2020/but-the-real-universe-is-always-one-step-beyond-logic#comment-4274</link>
		<dc:creator>A materialist perspective on metaphysics &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2023 15:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The problem with abstract objects is that they are... for the lack of a better word, we shall call them lies. The more sophisticated among the readers may be inclined to point out the "nuanced" distinction between lie and approximation, supposing to say that the abstract object as represented in the human mind is slightly different in form as well as in substance to the "real" one, but that the former is "good enough" to be confused with the latter in speech as well as in thought. This argument is pure sophistry firstly because using plain English one cannot possibly call an ideal abstract "an approximation" of a concrete object -- for example you'd never say that the sphere is an approximation of planet Earth, would you? a model, sure, but approximation? While secondly, any object arising in the mind is in some sense "an approximation", including for (Aristotle's opening) example those directly perceived through a narrow field of view processing a very narrow subset of the electromagnetic spectrum. At which point we might as well say that in spite of all its valliant efforts, for the most part the archetypal human lives in a perpetual state of lie. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The problem with abstract objects is that they are... for the lack of a better word, we shall call them lies. The more sophisticated among the readers may be inclined to point out the "nuanced" distinction between lie and approximation, supposing to say that the abstract object as represented in the human mind is slightly different in form as well as in substance to the "real" one, but that the former is "good enough" to be confused with the latter in speech as well as in thought. This argument is pure sophistry firstly because using plain English one cannot possibly call an ideal abstract "an approximation" of a concrete object -- for example you'd never say that the sphere is an approximation of planet Earth, would you? a model, sure, but approximation? While secondly, any object arising in the mind is in some sense "an approximation", including for (Aristotle's opening) example those directly perceived through a narrow field of view processing a very narrow subset of the electromagnetic spectrum. At which point we might as well say that in spite of all its valliant efforts, for the most part the archetypal human lives in a perpetual state of lie. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: All roads lead to Rome; or, how and why Nature abhors singularities; or, some pitfalls of causality &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
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		<dc:creator>All roads lead to Rome; or, how and why Nature abhors singularities; or, some pitfalls of causality &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This problem stems from some of the most trivial observations7 in life. Say, for example you are doing some work, whether watering some plants, writing some code, jogging, or whatever. This causes something, such as the completion of a task, or the increase of humidity in some place or whatever. This, in purely physical terms, changes the state of your environment from a p1 to a p2, where p is some particular measure that may be used to compute entropy. More importantly yet, that so-called "physical" environment includes you, from which emerges the trivial observation that whatever action you apply upon your external world, "it" isn't changed by your action more than "it changes" you8. The arrow of causation, however consistent in a purely Platonic sense, suddenly becomes muddy when it hits the real world. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This problem stems from some of the most trivial observations7 in life. Say, for example you are doing some work, whether watering some plants, writing some code, jogging, or whatever. This causes something, such as the completion of a task, or the increase of humidity in some place or whatever. This, in purely physical terms, changes the state of your environment from a p1 to a p2, where p is some particular measure that may be used to compute entropy. More importantly yet, that so-called "physical" environment includes you, from which emerges the trivial observation that whatever action you apply upon your external world, "it" isn't changed by your action more than "it changes" you8. The arrow of causation, however consistent in a purely Platonic sense, suddenly becomes muddy when it hits the real world. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2020/but-the-real-universe-is-always-one-step-beyond-logic#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 09:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unknowingly to me at the time when I wrote this piece, it also responds to the question of &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; exactly civilizations reach &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkWpgHKAczk" rel="nofollow"&gt;degeneration&lt;/a&gt;: due to a (temporary, for sure) halt in their survival instincts. In other words, my dear reader: pentru că ni s-a urât cu binele.

Ți-e frică c-ai trăit mult prea multe zile-acidulate -- n-ai să mori; din viață scapă cine poate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unknowingly to me at the time when I wrote this piece, it also responds to the question of <em>why</em> exactly civilizations reach <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkWpgHKAczk" rel="nofollow">degeneration</a>: due to a (temporary, for sure) halt in their survival instincts. In other words, my dear reader: pentru că ni s-a urât cu binele.</p>
<p>Ți-e frică c-ai trăit mult prea multe zile-acidulate -- n-ai să mori; din viață scapă cine poate.</p>
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		<title>By: Volfied &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2020/but-the-real-universe-is-always-one-step-beyond-logic#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Volfied &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2020 11:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] curve; they are made out of principled, systematic, systematically-applied knowledge, leading to that glimpse into nature itself; they are, simply put, [...]</description>
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