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		<title>By: Ion Ghica, Letters to Vasile Alecsandri: From the time of Caragea [iv] &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ion Ghica, Letters to Vasile Alecsandri: From the time of Caragea [iv] &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] third verb are pretty obvious, but the first one... fuck me, it's part of that Romanian panoply of curse words with plurious meanings that fill one's mouth. "A beli" literally means "to open", although it may [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The stuff they write on walls &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
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		<dc:creator>The stuff they write on walls &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] or indeed, through any other town in urban Romania, one will readily notice a certain sort of pop-underground-culture slash propaganda developing as the years pass, cohabiting with all the other stuffs, some by now centuries old. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The ever shorter days of November; and the dark times ahead. &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
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		<dc:creator>The ever shorter days of November; and the dark times ahead. &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] a chilly, silent, even peculiarly soothing evening here in Bükreş. You can still hear the rain trickling metronomically from the rooftops, followed by the occasional [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calif; or, the death of a brand. &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calif; or, the death of a brand. &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2020 08:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] happen, for the time being, to live in this decaying town in Southern Romania, going by the name of Bucharest. It's not an interesting town, and perhaps my life is not that interesting either, yet it is what [...]</description>
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		<title>By: spyked</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Măcar o pădure mai acătării de-ar fi avut, nu Băneasa vai-de-ea. În rest fix așa cum scrie la text.</description>
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		<title>By: Mircea Popescu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mircea Popescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2020 03:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lmao.

&lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Lumea s-a schimbat&lt;/a&gt;, fetele-au plecat, baietii s-au dus, maimutele-au ramas. Vai de el Bucuresti forestier.</description>
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<p><a href="http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/" rel="nofollow">Lumea s-a schimbat</a>, fetele-au plecat, baietii s-au dus, maimutele-au ramas. Vai de el Bucuresti forestier.</p>
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		<title>By: spyked</title>
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		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2020 15:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;b&gt;Diana Coman&lt;/b&gt;:

&gt; Is this Trilema article the one you were looking for?

Indeed, thank you!

&gt; A sort of condensed version of multi-generational failure

To be honest, this angle &lt;a href="http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958120" rel="nofollow"&gt;hadn't occured to me&lt;/a&gt; at all, but this'd put all the related curses in context: "fuck you and your ancestors up to Stephen the Great's filthy whores" seems to evoke much of the original ire of "futu-ti mortii ma-tii", or at least that's sort of the context that I'm reading it, being accustomed to seeing Gypsy women arguing at the local produce market.

@&lt;b&gt;Mircea Popescu&lt;/b&gt;:

&gt; their dumbphones whispered things about forced memes

&gt; I see a coda in there

Oh, how neatly this falls into place! Since we're here, let us give the dude &lt;a href="http://archive.is/xA9oT" rel="nofollow"&gt;a moment in the spotlight&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;De aproape un an, toate statiile de metrou din Bucuresti si numeroase panouri stradale sunt pline de mesajul "Nu te mai preocupa, esti frumoasa astazi"! Aceste cateva cuvinte simple, dar cu un impact extrem de puternic au reusit sa bucure mii de femei. In spatele lor se afla ideea unui artist, mereu cu zambetul pe buze, care a reusit sa transforme o pasiune, intr-un stil de viata.

"Nu te mai preocupa, esti frumoasa astazi!" este mesajul ce l-a facut cunoscut pe Alex in tot Bucurestiul, fara ca cineva sa ii cunoaca identitatea. Iar totul a inceput de la o fata pe care a vazut-o la metrou.

ALEX SASSU: era complexata de faptul ca toata lumea in jurul ei femeile se casatoresc fac copii au familie si ei nu i se intampla nimic de genul asta si era cumva trista si am vrut sa transmit ca totul e ok si o sa se intample la momentul potrivit.

De aici, viralul pur si simplu a explodat. Mesajul emotionant a impanzit harta Romaniei.

- Mi se pare ok, cateodata chiar ma binedispune, da mi s-a intamplat in unele dimineti cand sunt mai suparata cu facultatea, ma bucur cavad mesajul asta peste tot. Probabil a vrut sa impresioneze pe cineva sau pur si simplu impresionat de frumusetea femeii si considera ca sunt frumoase indiferent de ziua prin care trec.

ALEX SASSU: Multumesc Kanal D super tare, deci e super feeling asta sa te intalnesti cu oamenii si sa it dea feedback-ul si sa iti intoarca emotiile, e extraordinar, nu ma asteptam

Nu o sa va vina a crede, insa intre cunoscutul mesaj si meseria lui Alex exista un punct comun: ambele aduc zambetul pe buze femeilor. La cei 30 de ani ai sai, Alex este un cunoscut make-up artist.

ALEX SASSU: lucram intr-o banca puternic populata de bancheri si corporatisti din Bucuresti si mi-am zis trebuie sa fac altceva si prin eliminare am ramas cu make-up.

In urma muncii sale, Alex se poate lauda cu machiaje reusite, dar si cu complimente neasteptate. Unde mai pui ca este si un ... perfectionist!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And all that "feedback" can only mean he brought great value towards the progress progress of things'n'stuff and... well! Didn't he, now?

&gt; I very much doubt it's in any way related to the other proferation.

The only reason a connection popped into my mind is that both curses involve sending folks somewhere, and all the somewheres (pustii, pizda mă-sii, morții mă-sii) sort of look like nowheres. In particular "du-te-n pizda mă-tii" has a whole "why the fuck were you born anyway, go back to where you came from already" ring to it.

&gt; Ah yes, but unique. Remember back when they were storms, the little farts ?

Yes, funny how the whole Romanian "entrepreneurship" fashion went from being propagated with bells and whistles through all those "online" (i.e. pantsuit-web) channels, all the way to a peculiar sort of folklore, as I keep hearing nowadays about all these smart kids getting rich "developing an app" for iPhones and whatnot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<b>Diana Coman</b>:</p>
<p>> Is this Trilema article the one you were looking for?</p>
<p>Indeed, thank you!</p>
<p>> A sort of condensed version of multi-generational failure</p>
<p>To be honest, this angle <a href="http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958120" rel="nofollow">hadn't occured to me</a> at all, but this'd put all the related curses in context: "fuck you and your ancestors up to Stephen the Great's filthy whores" seems to evoke much of the original ire of "futu-ti mortii ma-tii", or at least that's sort of the context that I'm reading it, being accustomed to seeing Gypsy women arguing at the local produce market.</p>
<p>@<b>Mircea Popescu</b>:</p>
<p>> their dumbphones whispered things about forced memes</p>
<p>> I see a coda in there</p>
<p>Oh, how neatly this falls into place! Since we're here, let us give the dude <a href="http://archive.is/xA9oT" rel="nofollow">a moment in the spotlight</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>De aproape un an, toate statiile de metrou din Bucuresti si numeroase panouri stradale sunt pline de mesajul "Nu te mai preocupa, esti frumoasa astazi"! Aceste cateva cuvinte simple, dar cu un impact extrem de puternic au reusit sa bucure mii de femei. In spatele lor se afla ideea unui artist, mereu cu zambetul pe buze, care a reusit sa transforme o pasiune, intr-un stil de viata.</p>
<p>"Nu te mai preocupa, esti frumoasa astazi!" este mesajul ce l-a facut cunoscut pe Alex in tot Bucurestiul, fara ca cineva sa ii cunoaca identitatea. Iar totul a inceput de la o fata pe care a vazut-o la metrou.</p>
<p>ALEX SASSU: era complexata de faptul ca toata lumea in jurul ei femeile se casatoresc fac copii au familie si ei nu i se intampla nimic de genul asta si era cumva trista si am vrut sa transmit ca totul e ok si o sa se intample la momentul potrivit.</p>
<p>De aici, viralul pur si simplu a explodat. Mesajul emotionant a impanzit harta Romaniei.</p>
<p>- Mi se pare ok, cateodata chiar ma binedispune, da mi s-a intamplat in unele dimineti cand sunt mai suparata cu facultatea, ma bucur cavad mesajul asta peste tot. Probabil a vrut sa impresioneze pe cineva sau pur si simplu impresionat de frumusetea femeii si considera ca sunt frumoase indiferent de ziua prin care trec.</p>
<p>ALEX SASSU: Multumesc Kanal D super tare, deci e super feeling asta sa te intalnesti cu oamenii si sa it dea feedback-ul si sa iti intoarca emotiile, e extraordinar, nu ma asteptam</p>
<p>Nu o sa va vina a crede, insa intre cunoscutul mesaj si meseria lui Alex exista un punct comun: ambele aduc zambetul pe buze femeilor. La cei 30 de ani ai sai, Alex este un cunoscut make-up artist.</p>
<p>ALEX SASSU: lucram intr-o banca puternic populata de bancheri si corporatisti din Bucuresti si mi-am zis trebuie sa fac altceva si prin eliminare am ramas cu make-up.</p>
<p>In urma muncii sale, Alex se poate lauda cu machiaje reusite, dar si cu complimente neasteptate. Unde mai pui ca este si un ... perfectionist!</p></blockquote>
<p>And all that "feedback" can only mean he brought great value towards the progress progress of things'n'stuff and... well! Didn't he, now?</p>
<p>> I very much doubt it's in any way related to the other proferation.</p>
<p>The only reason a connection popped into my mind is that both curses involve sending folks somewhere, and all the somewheres (pustii, pizda mă-sii, morții mă-sii) sort of look like nowheres. In particular "du-te-n pizda mă-tii" has a whole "why the fuck were you born anyway, go back to where you came from already" ring to it.</p>
<p>> Ah yes, but unique. Remember back when they were storms, the little farts ?</p>
<p>Yes, funny how the whole Romanian "entrepreneurship" fashion went from being propagated with bells and whistles through all those "online" (i.e. pantsuit-web) channels, all the way to a peculiar sort of folklore, as I keep hearing nowadays about all these smart kids getting rich "developing an app" for iPhones and whatnot.</p>
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		<title>By: Mircea Popescu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mircea Popescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Feb 2020 15:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; "este preocupat cu" (accusative), though "este preocupat de"

Technically the mixed form given is agrammatical ; se preocupa cu / este preocupat de translating is preoccupied by / preoccupies himself with.

&#62; Seriously, the kids in question thought they'd start some sort of subcultural phenomenon with this

Alternatively, their dumbphones whispered things about forced memes, which they misinterpreted, being out of context as they are.

&#62; "don't worry, you're beautiful today", which apparently was supposed to be some feminist statement, except it's only relevant to "the people" in question

I see a coda in there, "this one weird trick" of femthinking. The mechanism is something like this : 1.given you want A, which is unattainable on the face then 2. split it into parts B and C, such that C is both 3. easily repeated and 4. small enough to pass the treshold. 

This is the direct (and necessary) result of "coopting women into the workforce", whereby they still &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/?b=weird&#38;e=she-paladin#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;don't do&lt;/a&gt; any &lt;a href="http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2020-02-14#1002300" rel="nofollow"&gt;work&lt;/a&gt;, but instead of having the &lt;em&gt;pater familias&lt;/em&gt; deal with their aeconomic internal life, there's a "public corporation" doing all that unpleasant heavy lifting. Which it does poorly, hence the adaptive above discussed : all these spurious fatasses sitting around in mini-bureaucracies which (&lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2009/omul-inutil-sau-pledoarie-pentru-protectie-sociala/" rel="nofollow"&gt;falsely&lt;/a&gt;) claim to make them "work" (while carefully keeping each day just a shade above the threshold such that "nobody could accuse" the idle spurious fatasses of having been idle &#38; spurious) have meanwhile noticed, and so they now apply.

That'd be the deal you, the reader (a poor woman's substitute of "her" corporation ; which in turn was a poor woman's substiture of "her" MP), are proposed : since conceivably any woman could look momentarily beautiful, "being momentarily beautiful" qualifies as a C above, it's small enough you can't deny it her ; then time's a succession of moments, and lo-and-behold, Achilette-the-fat&#38;buttugly has a paradox for you! Aren't you glad women were &lt;a href="http://thewhet.net/2019/01/perambulating-mp-pretense-vs-pretense/?b=They%20have%20tits&#38;e=male#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;coopted into the mythology&lt;/a&gt; ? Achilette for the winette!

Nevermind the B of "you're fucking insufferable all the time", only terrorists look at the empty glass in those terms.

&#62; Romanian curse, "du-te pe pustii", meaning

An ancient (ie, likely pre-christian, Miorita-contemporary) euphemism for the devil/evil spirits is "du-ca-se pe pustii", he-of-the-wild. The transition merely implies, in another euphemistic layer, that you're that he, and it's likely to have formed about the time of the kingdom, when new models and new mores drove such personalization into the vernacular. I very much doubt it's in any way related to the other proferation.

&#62; don't worry so much, dreamer kids, you're shit,

Ah yes, but &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2010/sunteti-besini/" rel="nofollow"&gt;unique&lt;/a&gt;. Remember back when they were storms, the little farts ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; "este preocupat cu" (accusative), though "este preocupat de"</p>
<p>Technically the mixed form given is agrammatical ; se preocupa cu / este preocupat de translating is preoccupied by / preoccupies himself with.</p>
<p>&gt; Seriously, the kids in question thought they'd start some sort of subcultural phenomenon with this</p>
<p>Alternatively, their dumbphones whispered things about forced memes, which they misinterpreted, being out of context as they are.</p>
<p>&gt; "don't worry, you're beautiful today", which apparently was supposed to be some feminist statement, except it's only relevant to "the people" in question</p>
<p>I see a coda in there, "this one weird trick" of femthinking. The mechanism is something like this : 1.given you want A, which is unattainable on the face then 2. split it into parts B and C, such that C is both 3. easily repeated and 4. small enough to pass the treshold. </p>
<p>This is the direct (and necessary) result of "coopting women into the workforce", whereby they still <a href="http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/?b=weird&amp;e=she-paladin#select" rel="nofollow">don't do</a> any <a href="http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2020-02-14#1002300" rel="nofollow">work</a>, but instead of having the <em>pater familias</em> deal with their aeconomic internal life, there's a "public corporation" doing all that unpleasant heavy lifting. Which it does poorly, hence the adaptive above discussed : all these spurious fatasses sitting around in mini-bureaucracies which (<a href="http://trilema.com/2009/omul-inutil-sau-pledoarie-pentru-protectie-sociala/" rel="nofollow">falsely</a>) claim to make them "work" (while carefully keeping each day just a shade above the threshold such that "nobody could accuse" the idle spurious fatasses of having been idle &amp; spurious) have meanwhile noticed, and so they now apply.</p>
<p>That'd be the deal you, the reader (a poor woman's substitute of "her" corporation ; which in turn was a poor woman's substiture of "her" MP), are proposed : since conceivably any woman could look momentarily beautiful, "being momentarily beautiful" qualifies as a C above, it's small enough you can't deny it her ; then time's a succession of moments, and lo-and-behold, Achilette-the-fat&amp;buttugly has a paradox for you! Aren't you glad women were <a href="http://thewhet.net/2019/01/perambulating-mp-pretense-vs-pretense/?b=They%20have%20tits&amp;e=male#select" rel="nofollow">coopted into the mythology</a> ? Achilette for the winette!</p>
<p>Nevermind the B of "you're fucking insufferable all the time", only terrorists look at the empty glass in those terms.</p>
<p>&gt; Romanian curse, "du-te pe pustii", meaning</p>
<p>An ancient (ie, likely pre-christian, Miorita-contemporary) euphemism for the devil/evil spirits is "du-ca-se pe pustii", he-of-the-wild. The transition merely implies, in another euphemistic layer, that you're that he, and it's likely to have formed about the time of the kingdom, when new models and new mores drove such personalization into the vernacular. I very much doubt it's in any way related to the other proferation.</p>
<p>&gt; don't worry so much, dreamer kids, you're shit,</p>
<p>Ah yes, but <a href="http://trilema.com/2010/sunteti-besini/" rel="nofollow">unique</a>. Remember back when they were storms, the little farts ?</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Coman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Coman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2020 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-curse-cuss-out-and-swear-in-romanian-like-a-romanian-this-means-like-you-know-what-youre-doing-to-avoid-saying-professionally-with-structural-explanations-a-strategy-guide-plus-p/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this Trilema article&lt;/a&gt; the one you were looking for?

The "vai de mortii tai" seems to me to tap onto the fact that you as the living are essentially "your dead ancestors"' only representative/chance and... well, you screwed that so badly that you haven't merely screwed *yourself* but basically a whole tribe behind you. A sort of condensed version of multi-generational failure that *you* are entirely and solely responsible for! The more I think of it, the more I like it! Lolz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is <a href="http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-curse-cuss-out-and-swear-in-romanian-like-a-romanian-this-means-like-you-know-what-youre-doing-to-avoid-saying-professionally-with-structural-explanations-a-strategy-guide-plus-p/" rel="nofollow">this Trilema article</a> the one you were looking for?</p>
<p>The "vai de mortii tai" seems to me to tap onto the fact that you as the living are essentially "your dead ancestors"' only representative/chance and... well, you screwed that so badly that you haven't merely screwed *yourself* but basically a whole tribe behind you. A sort of condensed version of multi-generational failure that *you* are entirely and solely responsible for! The more I think of it, the more I like it! Lolz.</p>
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