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	<description>"Now I feel like I know less about what that blog is about than I did before."</description>
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		<title>By: Romanians, forever pendulating between East and West &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-7771</link>
		<dc:creator>Romanians, forever pendulating between East and West &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2026 07:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are being primed... scratch that, they don't even need to be primed, since they've always been voting with their stomach! And let's be frank, when you're actually hungry and not just looking to fuck around with food, the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are being primed... scratch that, they don't even need to be primed, since they've always been voting with their stomach! And let's be frank, when you're actually hungry and not just looking to fuck around with food, the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Idiocracy &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-6521</link>
		<dc:creator>Idiocracy &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2025 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] folks killing their crops with Gatorade, when you're eating fucking McDonald's made out of roaches? And how can you make fun of the dumb dork who paid to wait for a whore to give it to him when the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] folks killing their crops with Gatorade, when you're eating fucking McDonald's made out of roaches? And how can you make fun of the dumb dork who paid to wait for a whore to give it to him when the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Αθήνα &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-5048</link>
		<dc:creator>Αθήνα &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2024 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ... y'know.&#160;&#8617; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In other unbreaking news, folks in Southern Transylvania are preparing for winter &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-4577</link>
		<dc:creator>In other unbreaking news, folks in Southern Transylvania are preparing for winter &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2023 13:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The bovine engine is a pillar of rural life. Bovines -- and ovines and equines too, but let's not get ahead of ourselves -- are natural lawn mowers, which not only makes the fields look more beautiful, but it also makes them easier to travel by foot. Furthermore, said animals convert the grass into milk that is integrated into a whole mini-industrial complex along with wheat, vegetables, eggs and so on and so forth, all required to make everything from fine cheeses to confectionery. Finally, animal waste is reused as fertilizer, returning all the required nutrients back into the ground for farming as well as the grassland itself. So then if you call yourself an ecologist, tell me: how's this for zero-waste cycles? but more importantly: how in Baal's name2 is it that you're looking to replace this with, of all things, insects? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The bovine engine is a pillar of rural life. Bovines -- and ovines and equines too, but let's not get ahead of ourselves -- are natural lawn mowers, which not only makes the fields look more beautiful, but it also makes them easier to travel by foot. Furthermore, said animals convert the grass into milk that is integrated into a whole mini-industrial complex along with wheat, vegetables, eggs and so on and so forth, all required to make everything from fine cheeses to confectionery. Finally, animal waste is reused as fertilizer, returning all the required nutrients back into the ground for farming as well as the grassland itself. So then if you call yourself an ecologist, tell me: how's this for zero-waste cycles? but more importantly: how in Baal's name2 is it that you're looking to replace this with, of all things, insects? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The marks of decay &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-4119</link>
		<dc:creator>The marks of decay &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2023 19:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] specifically in Eastern Europe, when Romanians had jack shit. They had no McDonald's (until 1995) and even with the entire centralized economic system built by the communists and their subjects, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] specifically in Eastern Europe, when Romanians had jack shit. They had no McDonald's (until 1995) and even with the entire centralized economic system built by the communists and their subjects, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nature and technology &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-3935</link>
		<dc:creator>Nature and technology &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2023 22:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when the good folks running the show finally run out of resources to finance either the bread, the circus or some mixture of the two, what do you think they'll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when the good folks running the show finally run out of resources to finance either the bread, the circus or some mixture of the two, what do you think they'll [...]</p>
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		<title>By: spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-3142</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2022 08:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The industrialized food market is only cheaper due to the removal of the human factor: if twenty years ago you required some thousands people to make ten million pieces of McChicken per month, nowadays you require some tens of people to obtain the same in a week or so, since the machinery doesn't sleep and it doesn't ask for food (although electricity isn't getting any cheaper either).

Last year, the so-called "problem of food" was that raising cattle or chicken wasn't getting any cheaper, moreso given the iffy problem of handling viral and bacterial epidemics in such densely-packed populations -- this issue has spread to bipedal monkeys as well, but that's besides the point. The only alternative at that point was to have the bipedal monkeys eat cheaper food, of which worms and bugs are abundant, even though the nutritional trade-offs are obvious -- let's not even get there, mmkay?

At the end of the day, however, the problem isn't even that "Romanians will eventually eat worms". Who knows, perhaps they won't, although judging by their history, they'll probably be integrated in the trends of the times (what other purpose do you think this integration serves?). The problem at the end of the day is that at some point in the near future manufacturing wormfood will also become "too expensive", and... then what? Folks will start eating each other, and... then what?

The whole point being, the only way to reduce suffering is through death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The industrialized food market is only cheaper due to the removal of the human factor: if twenty years ago you required some thousands people to make ten million pieces of McChicken per month, nowadays you require some tens of people to obtain the same in a week or so, since the machinery doesn't sleep and it doesn't ask for food (although electricity isn't getting any cheaper either).</p>
<p>Last year, the so-called "problem of food" was that raising cattle or chicken wasn't getting any cheaper, moreso given the iffy problem of handling viral and bacterial epidemics in such densely-packed populations -- this issue has spread to bipedal monkeys as well, but that's besides the point. The only alternative at that point was to have the bipedal monkeys eat cheaper food, of which worms and bugs are abundant, even though the nutritional trade-offs are obvious -- let's not even get there, mmkay?</p>
<p>At the end of the day, however, the problem isn't even that "Romanians will eventually eat worms". Who knows, perhaps they won't, although judging by their history, they'll probably be integrated in the trends of the times (what other purpose do you think this integration serves?). The problem at the end of the day is that at some point in the near future manufacturing wormfood will also become "too expensive", and... then what? Folks will start eating each other, and... then what?</p>
<p>The whole point being, the only way to reduce suffering is through death.</p>
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		<title>By: spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-2631</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2022 04:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, PDog, check out this contemptible &lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/23/style/cannibalism-tv-shows-movies-books.amp.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;piece&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href="https://archive.ph/vbFWi" rel="nofollow"&gt;archived&lt;/a&gt;) from NYT:

&lt;blockquote&gt;According to Ms. Summers, cannibalism is always symbolic. For her novel’s protagonist, eating human flesh can be seen as a way of holding on to a relationship that ended. For Ms. Summers herself, the plot of "A Certain Hunger" can’t be uncoupled "from my own personal experiences with disordered eating, with the tamping down of feminine appetites, the way the media chews up and spits out writers, bougie consumption — and bougie lady consumption," she said.

More generally, Ms. Summers thinks that the recent spate of cannibalistic plots could also be commentaries on capitalism. "Cannibalism is about consumption and it’s about burning up from the inside in order to exist," she said. "Burnout is essentially over-consuming yourself, your own energy, your own will to survive, your sleep schedule, your eating schedule, your body."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And so on and so forth, I can't be bothered to look at this in more detail.

Now, getting back to the moral problem, I s'ppose at this point your owners are giving you a choice, such as whether to be pro-tection or pro-sumption or something of the likes -- I'm not sure why you folks have such an aversion towards being anti-stuff, but... whatever. However, regardless which side you're on, you'll have to spell out quite plainly on what grounds; &lt;em&gt;on what grounds&lt;/em&gt;, motherfucker, is this even a discussion? At least from the linked sophistry I sure as hell ain't gonna buy that it has anything to do with "reducing suffering".

No, I agree with you, you're either to have mores or to have no society whatsoever. But can't you see how these so-called "mores" sold to you on the "&lt;a href="http://thetarpit.org/2016/on-the-failure-of-marketing" rel="nofollow"&gt;market of ideas&lt;/a&gt;" are in fact the anti-mores?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, PDog, check out this contemptible <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/23/style/cannibalism-tv-shows-movies-books.amp.html" rel="nofollow">piece</a> (<a href="https://archive.ph/vbFWi" rel="nofollow">archived</a>) from NYT:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to Ms. Summers, cannibalism is always symbolic. For her novel’s protagonist, eating human flesh can be seen as a way of holding on to a relationship that ended. For Ms. Summers herself, the plot of "A Certain Hunger" can’t be uncoupled "from my own personal experiences with disordered eating, with the tamping down of feminine appetites, the way the media chews up and spits out writers, bougie consumption — and bougie lady consumption," she said.</p>
<p>More generally, Ms. Summers thinks that the recent spate of cannibalistic plots could also be commentaries on capitalism. "Cannibalism is about consumption and it’s about burning up from the inside in order to exist," she said. "Burnout is essentially over-consuming yourself, your own energy, your own will to survive, your sleep schedule, your eating schedule, your body."</p></blockquote>
<p>And so on and so forth, I can't be bothered to look at this in more detail.</p>
<p>Now, getting back to the moral problem, I s'ppose at this point your owners are giving you a choice, such as whether to be pro-tection or pro-sumption or something of the likes -- I'm not sure why you folks have such an aversion towards being anti-stuff, but... whatever. However, regardless which side you're on, you'll have to spell out quite plainly on what grounds; <em>on what grounds</em>, motherfucker, is this even a discussion? At least from the linked sophistry I sure as hell ain't gonna buy that it has anything to do with "reducing suffering".</p>
<p>No, I agree with you, you're either to have mores or to have no society whatsoever. But can't you see how these so-called "mores" sold to you on the "<a href="http://thetarpit.org/2016/on-the-failure-of-marketing" rel="nofollow">market of ideas</a>" are in fact the anti-mores?</p>
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		<title>By: The problem of labour &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-2562</link>
		<dc:creator>The problem of labour &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2022 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] where exactly did I hear that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The civilized world after two decades of progress &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2021/the-problem-of-food#comment-1088</link>
		<dc:creator>The civilized world after two decades of progress &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 14:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pantsuitistic "study", say, a concoction on how the life expectancy has only increased since the first McDonald's was established on Romanian soil... or [...]</description>
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