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		<title>By: AI and the tech serf &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-6604</link>
		<dc:creator>AI and the tech serf &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2025 19:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] came out; it's on the same level of reasoning as "weed is is getting you baked", as if there's no freedom of will on the part of the subject who does these things. I was also there when Jonze's Her, or the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] came out; it's on the same level of reasoning as "weed is is getting you baked", as if there's no freedom of will on the part of the subject who does these things. I was also there when Jonze's Her, or the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Squid Game &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-5511</link>
		<dc:creator>Squid Game &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2025 19:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and how you don't know what "defending" it entails more precisely, at least not until you're told precisely what signifier to attach to those [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and how you don't know what "defending" it entails more precisely, at least not until you're told precisely what signifier to attach to those [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Moromeții 3 &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-5363</link>
		<dc:creator>Moromeții 3 &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2024 13:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What matters is the underlying theme, that despite the inane ramblings of Marx and his followers, feudalism never died and all the revolutions, from the communist one to the one in 1989 to the current crap, were just paving the way for changes in power; and it's most obvious today who has the power, and for quite a while now the power has belonged to "the beoble" only inasmuch as said beoble were told exactly how to wield it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What matters is the underlying theme, that despite the inane ramblings of Marx and his followers, feudalism never died and all the revolutions, from the communist one to the one in 1989 to the current crap, were just paving the way for changes in power; and it's most obvious today who has the power, and for quite a while now the power has belonged to "the beoble" only inasmuch as said beoble were told exactly how to wield it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Against the direction in Romanian culture today, translated and annotated &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-4216</link>
		<dc:creator>Against the direction in Romanian culture today, translated and annotated &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2023 14:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The results of this experiment can be readily observed, for example that nowadays you understand precisely what you're told to, or that actual conversation has become [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The results of this experiment can be readily observed, for example that nowadays you understand precisely what you're told to, or that actual conversation has become [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tyranny and democracy &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-3959</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyranny and democracy &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] influencing the election on Twitter, or whatevers. He used the "Russian collusion machine" to gain absolute control over the minds of the sheeple, getting them to vote for him, which is a sort of democracy of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] influencing the election on Twitter, or whatevers. He used the "Russian collusion machine" to gain absolute control over the minds of the sheeple, getting them to vote for him, which is a sort of democracy of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-3776</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2023 22:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other digressions: I did not quote the passage from We out of nowhere and I bet that the reader who knows what follows after that passage will agree with its foresight. Let us quote two more paragraphs:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was interrupted. The switchboard clicked. I raised my eyes,--- O-90, of course! In half a minute she herself will be here to take me for the walk.

Dear O--! She always seems to me to look like her name, O--. She is approximately ten centimeters shorter than the required Maternal Norm. Therefore she appears all round; the rose-colored O of her lips is open to meet every word of mine. She has a round soft dimple on her wrist. Children have such dimples. As she came in, the logical fly-wheel was still buzzing in my head, and following its inertia, I began to tell her about my new formula which embraced the machines and the dancers and all of us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Notice how this passage completely contradicts the previous? It has something almost poetic about it, it reeks of a humanity that is otherwise entirely absent from Zamyatin's Taylorist dystopia. Our protagonist acknowledges, even if only unconsciously, that he is driven by forces other than those placed upon him by those in power, and that those forces are more primal in nature.

As also discussed &lt;a href="http://thetarpit.org/2022/2022#comment-3775" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, man has within himself the potential to place himself under certain... let's call them &lt;em&gt;constraints&lt;/em&gt;. This is what acting is and yes, this is what dancing also is and the same applies to any other skill or habit which takes time to learn. Furthermore, some may go further than others into mastering this temporary suspension of freedom and unexpectedly, they may end up appreciating and practicing actual freedoms more often and in general &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; than those who would not willfully apply such constraints.

As described in Zamyatin's piece, today's socialism has indeed made it infinitely easier for statal machineries to educate individuals, rather than allow them to educate themselves. Fortunately, the state needn't "allow" anything, as the closed doors are for the most part in the minds of the victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other digressions: I did not quote the passage from We out of nowhere and I bet that the reader who knows what follows after that passage will agree with its foresight. Let us quote two more paragraphs:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was interrupted. The switchboard clicked. I raised my eyes,--- O-90, of course! In half a minute she herself will be here to take me for the walk.</p>
<p>Dear O--! She always seems to me to look like her name, O--. She is approximately ten centimeters shorter than the required Maternal Norm. Therefore she appears all round; the rose-colored O of her lips is open to meet every word of mine. She has a round soft dimple on her wrist. Children have such dimples. As she came in, the logical fly-wheel was still buzzing in my head, and following its inertia, I began to tell her about my new formula which embraced the machines and the dancers and all of us.</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice how this passage completely contradicts the previous? It has something almost poetic about it, it reeks of a humanity that is otherwise entirely absent from Zamyatin's Taylorist dystopia. Our protagonist acknowledges, even if only unconsciously, that he is driven by forces other than those placed upon him by those in power, and that those forces are more primal in nature.</p>
<p>As also discussed <a href="http://thetarpit.org/2022/2022#comment-3775" rel="nofollow">here</a>, man has within himself the potential to place himself under certain... let's call them <em>constraints</em>. This is what acting is and yes, this is what dancing also is and the same applies to any other skill or habit which takes time to learn. Furthermore, some may go further than others into mastering this temporary suspension of freedom and unexpectedly, they may end up appreciating and practicing actual freedoms more often and in general <em>more</em> than those who would not willfully apply such constraints.</p>
<p>As described in Zamyatin's piece, today's socialism has indeed made it infinitely easier for statal machineries to educate individuals, rather than allow them to educate themselves. Fortunately, the state needn't "allow" anything, as the closed doors are for the most part in the minds of the victims.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-3155</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2022 11:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who will make the best out of the worst, regardless of the outcome, the so-called "man with a larger view of the world". The so-called public opinion will readily proceed to condemn the first view and approve (or, at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who will make the best out of the worst, regardless of the outcome, the so-called "man with a larger view of the world". The so-called public opinion will readily proceed to condemn the first view and approve (or, at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On intellectual feudalism &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-3006</link>
		<dc:creator>On intellectual feudalism &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2022 16:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to bet that his web0 should also come with TLS and PKI preloaded, because that's what his masters told him. I wonder if he understands that implicit trust, not "centralization", is the primary driver behind [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to bet that his web0 should also come with TLS and PKI preloaded, because that's what his masters told him. I wonder if he understands that implicit trust, not "centralization", is the primary driver behind [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Platform &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-2540</link>
		<dc:creator>The Platform &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2022 17:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A particular class of dehumanizing entity is The Platform. The precise shape of The Platform is less interesting, mainly because its concrete manifestations may in fact bear many forms. Essentially, The Platform is a mechanical beast that enacts dehumanization primarily by removing agency, and it removes agency primarily (but not only) by removing will. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A particular class of dehumanizing entity is The Platform. The precise shape of The Platform is less interesting, mainly because its concrete manifestations may in fact bear many forms. Essentially, The Platform is a mechanical beast that enacts dehumanization primarily by removing agency, and it removes agency primarily (but not only) by removing will. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Notes on Hofstadter's Coffeehouse Conversation &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/on-wills-wonts-and-lack-thereof#comment-2480</link>
		<dc:creator>Notes on Hofstadter's Coffeehouse Conversation &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2022 13:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to solve the problem? By the way, can you see how this immediately falls into the discussion on wills and won'ts? Who's to say that an object, any object at all, "wills" something in a so-called "objective" [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to solve the problem? By the way, can you see how this immediately falls into the discussion on wills and won'ts? Who's to say that an object, any object at all, "wills" something in a so-called "objective" [...]</p>
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