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	<description>"Now I feel like I know less about what that blog is about than I did before."</description>
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		<title>By: Heidegger's prophecy, or: Europe is quite badly fucked &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-3564</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidegger's prophecy, or: Europe is quite badly fucked &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2022 23:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] platforms have rendered you utterly blind to the stuff that really matters. Get a clue [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What is a social network? &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-3100</link>
		<dc:creator>What is a social network? &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2022 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] networks aren't. A social network is not technical nor technological by any means. It is not a platform and it is nothing so particular as a star topology -- the star topology is indeed a particular [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WarGames &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-3050</link>
		<dc:creator>WarGames &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2022 18:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This brings us back to the premise, namely that a couple of guys properly (they said) trained to do a job, were unable to carry out their duty... why, exactly? due to pressure? holding the fate of humanity in their hands? or what is it? Regardless, the machines placed in their stead can easily two-plus-two when instructed, and they won't even ask for food. Moving the problem in the domain of automation changes the game altogether on multiple planes: on one hand one will now have to deal with obnoxious engineers, that is to say, self-proclaimed technocrats, who will consistently get it wrong, either intentionally, through backdoors4, or otherwise unintentionally through simple incompetence. On the other hand however, once working automation is deployed in the field, everyone will have to step up the game in this direction, since the fabled human resource that acts so swiftly is simply too expensive and infeasible to "teach from mistakes" in a short amount of time5. So NORAD fucks up and a kid puts in motion what seems to be the inevitable beginning of the end, and by the time they manage to put a stop to it, the general swears he's never going to make use of 'em electronic brains on his turf anymore. Except... that's what they eventually did, didn't they? Mechanism by now seems to have become entirely embedded in the sheer force of history itself, regardless of how much it destroys, regardless of how much it dehumanizes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This brings us back to the premise, namely that a couple of guys properly (they said) trained to do a job, were unable to carry out their duty... why, exactly? due to pressure? holding the fate of humanity in their hands? or what is it? Regardless, the machines placed in their stead can easily two-plus-two when instructed, and they won't even ask for food. Moving the problem in the domain of automation changes the game altogether on multiple planes: on one hand one will now have to deal with obnoxious engineers, that is to say, self-proclaimed technocrats, who will consistently get it wrong, either intentionally, through backdoors4, or otherwise unintentionally through simple incompetence. On the other hand however, once working automation is deployed in the field, everyone will have to step up the game in this direction, since the fabled human resource that acts so swiftly is simply too expensive and infeasible to "teach from mistakes" in a short amount of time5. So NORAD fucks up and a kid puts in motion what seems to be the inevitable beginning of the end, and by the time they manage to put a stop to it, the general swears he's never going to make use of 'em electronic brains on his turf anymore. Except... that's what they eventually did, didn't they? Mechanism by now seems to have become entirely embedded in the sheer force of history itself, regardless of how much it destroys, regardless of how much it dehumanizes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The crisis of identity &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-2966</link>
		<dc:creator>The crisis of identity &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2022 19:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] along came technology and the whole game changed. As one creates an account on the platform, he or she may not only choose a name, but also an avatar -- that is, a digital face. Or if we're [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Causes of trouble in the modern world &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-2684</link>
		<dc:creator>Causes of trouble in the modern world &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2022 08:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] their sheer stupidity they are easier to steer towards some particular state of affairs or another. Divide et impera, as it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: All roads lead to Rome; or, how and why Nature abhors singularities; or, some pitfalls of causality &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-2673</link>
		<dc:creator>All roads lead to Rome; or, how and why Nature abhors singularities; or, some pitfalls of causality &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] feedback loops -- some indeed prefer to view the Imperial star topology as purely controlled from the centre, when in fact the arrow goes both ways, and in varying degrees of intensity, which is why [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The sweeping, unstoppable wave &#171; The Tar Pit</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-2600</link>
		<dc:creator>The sweeping, unstoppable wave &#171; The Tar Pit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to keep up with the trend. Yes, it was abso-fucking-lutely organic, these guys managed to own the platform, do you get [...]</description>
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		<title>By: spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-2578</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2022 10:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;b&gt;Cel Mihanie&lt;/b&gt;:

&gt; there is definitely enough dissidence at this point for it to be visible and indicative of a shift in world events

While I agree that things are set for significant change (if anything, covid was a clear sign pointing that way), I think that any sort of dissidence will ultimately be co-opted by... the system. Indeed, the main difference today from a decade ago is that it's pretty clear even for the average guy that the West is failing -- for example, the press is writing quite plainly about Pops Joseph's recent blunder in the middle East -- but it's harder to see what precisely this failure points towards. If anything, it looks to me that whoever runs the show is giving it a vigorous push.

If I were to guess, I'd say that at the very least some portion of the old rule is ready for retirement, along with the old folks put in charge.

&gt; and, I'm pretty sure for the printing press too.

Indeed, the main difference between the new and the old thing lies merely in the degree of amplitude.

&gt; education consists of instruction and indoctrination

That's about as much as could be achieved of the grand goal of making everyone and their dog literate. My grandmother, God bless her resting soul, with her eight years of education, was better read, wiser and, quite importantly, more aware of her position in the world than many PhD graduates that I know. Inversion of values and all that, I suppose.

@&lt;b&gt;Verisimilitude&lt;/b&gt;: Wait, you're not the glowie mentioned above, are you? Lol.

&gt; Latin will provide to me an escape from the meta-platform, perhaps.

Perhaps. Have you read Solzhenitsyn, by the way? Or I would heartily recommend Corneliu Coposu's interviews, where he recounts his days in the communist prison. The detainees there survived (spiritually, first and foremost) by solving mathematical equations or by translating long pieces of text, all in their mind, since they didn't have any means of reading or writing. Unfortunately I don't think any of his spoken or written works have been translated into English, so who knows, maybe this could serve as a pretext for taking a stab at Romanian.

But more generally, North American culture is a dead end and you're better off studying any other -- Arab, Russian, French, Chinese, or what you will --, there's many other ways in which this endeavour could help one make an escape from the so-called meta-platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<b>Cel Mihanie</b>:</p>
<p>> there is definitely enough dissidence at this point for it to be visible and indicative of a shift in world events</p>
<p>While I agree that things are set for significant change (if anything, covid was a clear sign pointing that way), I think that any sort of dissidence will ultimately be co-opted by... the system. Indeed, the main difference today from a decade ago is that it's pretty clear even for the average guy that the West is failing -- for example, the press is writing quite plainly about Pops Joseph's recent blunder in the middle East -- but it's harder to see what precisely this failure points towards. If anything, it looks to me that whoever runs the show is giving it a vigorous push.</p>
<p>If I were to guess, I'd say that at the very least some portion of the old rule is ready for retirement, along with the old folks put in charge.</p>
<p>> and, I'm pretty sure for the printing press too.</p>
<p>Indeed, the main difference between the new and the old thing lies merely in the degree of amplitude.</p>
<p>> education consists of instruction and indoctrination</p>
<p>That's about as much as could be achieved of the grand goal of making everyone and their dog literate. My grandmother, God bless her resting soul, with her eight years of education, was better read, wiser and, quite importantly, more aware of her position in the world than many PhD graduates that I know. Inversion of values and all that, I suppose.</p>
<p>@<b>Verisimilitude</b>: Wait, you're not the glowie mentioned above, are you? Lol.</p>
<p>> Latin will provide to me an escape from the meta-platform, perhaps.</p>
<p>Perhaps. Have you read Solzhenitsyn, by the way? Or I would heartily recommend Corneliu Coposu's interviews, where he recounts his days in the communist prison. The detainees there survived (spiritually, first and foremost) by solving mathematical equations or by translating long pieces of text, all in their mind, since they didn't have any means of reading or writing. Unfortunately I don't think any of his spoken or written works have been translated into English, so who knows, maybe this could serve as a pretext for taking a stab at Romanian.</p>
<p>But more generally, North American culture is a dead end and you're better off studying any other -- Arab, Russian, French, Chinese, or what you will --, there's many other ways in which this endeavour could help one make an escape from the so-called meta-platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Verisimilitude</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-2573</link>
		<dc:creator>Verisimilitude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2022 22:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've little to write, other than I read this website; learning Latin has made me so happy, and will continue to reveal pleasant things unto me; and there's a lot of value in isolation.

Latin will provide to me an escape from the meta-platform, perhaps.</description>
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<p>Latin will provide to me an escape from the meta-platform, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Cel Mihanie</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-platform#comment-2564</link>
		<dc:creator>Cel Mihanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2022 20:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; For what it's worth, I don't see this

Well I did say "some". There is always a percentage of people that see beyond the system, the question is just how large it is and whether anything specific can be done with it. Most people are obedient and "stupid", yes, but then again most realistic theories of power state that it doesn't matter what "most people" think. The issue is.. very complicated. But what I mean basically is that there is definitely enough dissidence at this point for it to be visible and indicative of a shift in world events.

&#62; personal computer as an educational tool

Amusingly, there seems to be a pattern about pretty much any media invention being seen by its creator as a revolutionary educational tool (often those words exactly) that would usher in a new age of reason and enlightenment... only for their hopes to be dashed hard as people use it mainly for entertainment and propaganda. It definitely happened for the personal computer, TV, radio, and, I'm pretty sure for the printing press too. Then again, as I always say, education consists of instruction and indoctrination, and there is always a lot more of the latter than the former. So in that sense, perhaps all these inventions really did achieve their "educational" goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; For what it's worth, I don't see this</p>
<p>Well I did say "some". There is always a percentage of people that see beyond the system, the question is just how large it is and whether anything specific can be done with it. Most people are obedient and "stupid", yes, but then again most realistic theories of power state that it doesn't matter what "most people" think. The issue is.. very complicated. But what I mean basically is that there is definitely enough dissidence at this point for it to be visible and indicative of a shift in world events.</p>
<p>&gt; personal computer as an educational tool</p>
<p>Amusingly, there seems to be a pattern about pretty much any media invention being seen by its creator as a revolutionary educational tool (often those words exactly) that would usher in a new age of reason and enlightenment... only for their hopes to be dashed hard as people use it mainly for entertainment and propaganda. It definitely happened for the personal computer, TV, radio, and, I'm pretty sure for the printing press too. Then again, as I always say, education consists of instruction and indoctrination, and there is always a lot more of the latter than the former. So in that sense, perhaps all these inventions really did achieve their "educational" goal.</p>
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