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	<description>"Now I feel like I know less about what that blog is about than I did before."</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 11:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on I wrote a blog. by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/i-wrote-a-blog#comment-7819</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 15:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I believe the whole thing took much less than fifty hours of implementation put together

Holy hell, how much time I had on my hands back then!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> I believe the whole thing took much less than fifty hours of implementation put together</p>
<p>Holy hell, how much time I had on my hands back then!</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the unambiguous usefulness of tools (in software and elsewhere) by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/on-the-unambiguous-usefulness-of-tools#comment-7818</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 15:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; With all the fancy AI algorithms, we still don't understand precisely why some of the tasks that seem so simple to us are mind-blowingly hard to program into a computer

I think some computer scientists/philosophers call this "the frame problem". In short, the problem with computers is that they can only work upon and with structured symbols which we call "information", and not everything is reducible to that. For example spatial structures can be described as information, e.g. a wheel can be seen as a disc expressed in polar coordinates. But take other concepts, like, say, friendship, and you'll find out in short order that even the most advanced AI will have trouble describing it. Because it can't relate to it, 'cause simply put, you can't be friends with a computer, no matter how much you'll try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> With all the fancy AI algorithms, we still don't understand precisely why some of the tasks that seem so simple to us are mind-blowingly hard to program into a computer</p>
<p>I think some computer scientists/philosophers call this "the frame problem". In short, the problem with computers is that they can only work upon and with structured symbols which we call "information", and not everything is reducible to that. For example spatial structures can be described as information, e.g. a wheel can be seen as a disc expressed in polar coordinates. But take other concepts, like, say, friendship, and you'll find out in short order that even the most advanced AI will have trouble describing it. Because it can't relate to it, 'cause simply put, you can't be friends with a computer, no matter how much you'll try.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Placing the cornerstone for The new Tar Pit by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/the-new-tarpit#comment-7815</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 17:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it's worth, I think that this is a decent sketch of a blog spec. Had I put in the effort to formalize it a bit, it could have made for a decent spec of a blog software, that could have encompassed most of Wordpress, that is, save for all the dead weight lying around devoid of any purpose. And from there on -- Hakyll, Common Lisp or PHP would have made very little difference as far as I'm concerned.

I guess it's a bit of an irony that I eventually reverted to &lt;a href="http://thetarpit.org/2019/welcome-to-the-tar-pit" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wordpress&lt;/a&gt; as the solution to that &lt;a href="http://thetarpit.org/2014/maybe-i-was-wrong-about-that-commenting-thing" rel="nofollow"&gt;commenting thing&lt;/a&gt;, but either way, I don't really have any plans to move away from this in the next two decades or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it's worth, I think that this is a decent sketch of a blog spec. Had I put in the effort to formalize it a bit, it could have made for a decent spec of a blog software, that could have encompassed most of Wordpress, that is, save for all the dead weight lying around devoid of any purpose. And from there on -- Hakyll, Common Lisp or PHP would have made very little difference as far as I'm concerned.</p>
<p>I guess it's a bit of an irony that I eventually reverted to <a href="http://thetarpit.org/2019/welcome-to-the-tar-pit" rel="nofollow">Wordpress</a> as the solution to that <a href="http://thetarpit.org/2014/maybe-i-was-wrong-about-that-commenting-thing" rel="nofollow">commenting thing</a>, but either way, I don't really have any plans to move away from this in the next two decades or so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On system reliability, or, a top-down approach to (dispel the myth of) "software engineering" by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/the-myth-of-software-engineering-iii#comment-7814</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I tried something here, but I forgot what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I tried something here, but I forgot what.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/we#comment-7813</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 17:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; socialist

This article makes too much of an effort to overload this term, in the same vein as &lt;a href="http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-7794" rel="nofollow"&gt;that guy&lt;/a&gt;.

We is a satire of Taylorism, the same ideology that was employed, say, by Ford in the West, and also by the Soviets in the East, to "scientifically manage" the affairs of people from the top down, and in this context, the "Science Fiction" label makes the work all the more lulzy. But it's also what I suspect has made it publishable in the USSR: the Soviets thought that he was busting Henry Ford's balls, while my younger self reading this in 2016 saw all the marks of centrally-planned USSR -- or current-day EU, since we're discussing Soviets.

But the centralization of power doesn't have all that much to do with socialism. For example, Richelieu also contributed to the centralization of power in late Medieval France, but claiming that was a socialist affair is a bad joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> socialist</p>
<p>This article makes too much of an effort to overload this term, in the same vein as <a href="http://thetarpit.org/2014/how-and-why-systemd-has-won#comment-7794" rel="nofollow">that guy</a>.</p>
<p>We is a satire of Taylorism, the same ideology that was employed, say, by Ford in the West, and also by the Soviets in the East, to "scientifically manage" the affairs of people from the top down, and in this context, the "Science Fiction" label makes the work all the more lulzy. But it's also what I suspect has made it publishable in the USSR: the Soviets thought that he was busting Henry Ford's balls, while my younger self reading this in 2016 saw all the marks of centrally-planned USSR -- or current-day EU, since we're discussing Soviets.</p>
<p>But the centralization of power doesn't have all that much to do with socialism. For example, Richelieu also contributed to the centralization of power in late Medieval France, but claiming that was a socialist affair is a bad joke.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On security by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/on-security#comment-7812</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 17:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One coda to that coda would be that in order for some particular application of the notion of security to even make sense, that application must emerge from a boundary -- say, in the very same way you build walls and a fence in and around the place you live, so that you may clearly define the "inside" and the "outside".

And to this coda we may add that from this particular perspective, the whole notion of "open society" -- which, yes, is an neoimperial idea spawned by the West -- is utter nonsense and one of the greatest failure modes that our age could muster. Sure, Soros, however pragmatic a man he may be (or have been), thought that by the time his "vision" i.e. ideology would be put into full practice, everyone would speak English.

One may imagine a similar Soros, but this time of Roman descent, sometime at the beginning of our current calendaristic era, envisioning how everyone in the world would eventually speak Latin. And his vision came true by and large, except by the time everyone in, say, the territory marked by the Roman province Dacia Felix, came to use Latin in their daily affairs, every other aspect that made up the Roman Empire and its subsequent versions had very little in common with the initial Republic of Rome. The very same is the case with the US and the West today: whatever English, French or German there may remain in global public affairs for the rest of this century, they'll be had on Chinese terms.

Sad or not, 'tis the present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One coda to that coda would be that in order for some particular application of the notion of security to even make sense, that application must emerge from a boundary -- say, in the very same way you build walls and a fence in and around the place you live, so that you may clearly define the "inside" and the "outside".</p>
<p>And to this coda we may add that from this particular perspective, the whole notion of "open society" -- which, yes, is an neoimperial idea spawned by the West -- is utter nonsense and one of the greatest failure modes that our age could muster. Sure, Soros, however pragmatic a man he may be (or have been), thought that by the time his "vision" i.e. ideology would be put into full practice, everyone would speak English.</p>
<p>One may imagine a similar Soros, but this time of Roman descent, sometime at the beginning of our current calendaristic era, envisioning how everyone in the world would eventually speak Latin. And his vision came true by and large, except by the time everyone in, say, the territory marked by the Roman province Dacia Felix, came to use Latin in their daily affairs, every other aspect that made up the Roman Empire and its subsequent versions had very little in common with the initial Republic of Rome. The very same is the case with the US and the West today: whatever English, French or German there may remain in global public affairs for the rest of this century, they'll be had on Chinese terms.</p>
<p>Sad or not, 'tis the present.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Academic hogwash: an empirical study thereof by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/academic-hogwash#comment-7803</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2026 18:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, to be fair: such groups are always semipermeable, in the sense that they rely on some sort of approach to sift the good folks from the idiots, erring towards leaving some of the good folks out just for the sake of not letting any idiots in. This may be unfair or whatever, but alas, time is a very costly resource, and it would be quite a shame for an idiot to waste everybody else's time, say, during a conference, be it academic or otherwise.

My problem isn't that academics do that, it's that some, maybe the large majority thereof, do it with nothing to show for it. Seriously, I don't remember reading any relevant paper from a Thomson-endorsed journal or conference in the last decade, and trust me, I've read quite a lot of them in the first half of it. Maybe it's just my bias towards the computing sciences and they're doing quite fine in natural sciences or the various fields of engineering, I don't know.

The (perhaps honest) counter to this would be that likely institutions such as ACM and IEEE have already been corrupted by idiots -- frankly, I myself think that's just how &lt;a href="http://thetarpit.org/2026/on-perversion" rel="nofollow"&gt;these things usually go&lt;/a&gt;. On the other hand, I've met a few IEEE fellows in my field who for the better or worse manage to move things, albeit slowly. The alternative to so-called standards is everybody rolling their own and no one getting to talk to anyone else, which is (IMO) way worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, to be fair: such groups are always semipermeable, in the sense that they rely on some sort of approach to sift the good folks from the idiots, erring towards leaving some of the good folks out just for the sake of not letting any idiots in. This may be unfair or whatever, but alas, time is a very costly resource, and it would be quite a shame for an idiot to waste everybody else's time, say, during a conference, be it academic or otherwise.</p>
<p>My problem isn't that academics do that, it's that some, maybe the large majority thereof, do it with nothing to show for it. Seriously, I don't remember reading any relevant paper from a Thomson-endorsed journal or conference in the last decade, and trust me, I've read quite a lot of them in the first half of it. Maybe it's just my bias towards the computing sciences and they're doing quite fine in natural sciences or the various fields of engineering, I don't know.</p>
<p>The (perhaps honest) counter to this would be that likely institutions such as ACM and IEEE have already been corrupted by idiots -- frankly, I myself think that's just how <a href="http://thetarpit.org/2026/on-perversion" rel="nofollow">these things usually go</a>. On the other hand, I've met a few IEEE fellows in my field who for the better or worse manage to move things, albeit slowly. The alternative to so-called standards is everybody rolling their own and no one getting to talk to anyone else, which is (IMO) way worse.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When the law does more harm than good, or an exercise in independent thought by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/law-harm-good#comment-7802</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2026 18:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For whatever it's worth, stirileprotv.ro &gt;&gt;&gt; lematin.ch, for the mere fact that the former is able to keep a decade-old (or maybe even longer, who knows) archive, while the latter... well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For whatever it's worth, stirileprotv.ro >>> lematin.ch, for the mere fact that the former is able to keep a decade-old (or maybe even longer, who knows) archive, while the latter... well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the failure of marketing (and civilization in general) by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2016/on-the-failure-of-marketing#comment-7801</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2026 18:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; It happens, as the history goes, that in the past few decades a slow but sure rupture between the term and its meaning occurred

Nah, marketing was always, and it remains today the exploitation of human need for the purpose of profit. That some "need" is in fact a predilection towards sin -- not in the sense of "upsetting God", but in that of self-debasement -- is not in the least the marketer's fault. Remember what they used to say back in the day: caveat emptor. This applies to pretty much any product on the so-called market, that goes beyond a certain level of complexity.

I can understand, today as I did back a decade ago, how the mechanism was employed to keep a certain type of engine running, with the side-effect of producing a long list of &lt;a href="http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-profiling-machine" rel="nofollow"&gt;profiles&lt;/a&gt; ready to be harvested by the intelligence machines. I acknowledge the fact that in the end this produces slaves, but well, what of that? History is full of such examples, and this one's not in any particular way special, save for the technological means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> It happens, as the history goes, that in the past few decades a slow but sure rupture between the term and its meaning occurred</p>
<p>Nah, marketing was always, and it remains today the exploitation of human need for the purpose of profit. That some "need" is in fact a predilection towards sin -- not in the sense of "upsetting God", but in that of self-debasement -- is not in the least the marketer's fault. Remember what they used to say back in the day: caveat emptor. This applies to pretty much any product on the so-called market, that goes beyond a certain level of complexity.</p>
<p>I can understand, today as I did back a decade ago, how the mechanism was employed to keep a certain type of engine running, with the side-effect of producing a long list of <a href="http://thetarpit.org/2022/the-profiling-machine" rel="nofollow">profiles</a> ready to be harvested by the intelligence machines. I acknowledge the fact that in the end this produces slaves, but well, what of that? History is full of such examples, and this one's not in any particular way special, save for the technological means.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The myth of "software engineering" by spyked</title>
		<link>http://thetarpit.org/2015/the-myth-of-software-engineering#comment-7799</link>
		<dc:creator>spyked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2026 16:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Motivations for replacing make range from a desire to replace make's very Unix-philosophy inspired domain-specific language for describing build rules (Unix-philosophy in the sense that it often works by coincidence, but falls over if you do something exotic, like have filenames with spaces in, or have an environment variable with the “wrong” name),

By that definition of "Unix-philosophy inspired", the more naïve software engineer would be led to believe that every piece of software on this earth lies in the same category -- for example, did you ever try accessing a path containing the backslash character under Windows? That yielded some pretty lulzy results last time I tried.

So at the end of the day, whether "engineering" is a null concept or not is entirely besides the point. The point is rather, that attempting to specify things and matters exhaustively, especially of the "general-purpose" kind, is an exercise in madness. And since the sane approach is to work on partial specifications, at some point you'll necessarily run into a hole somewhere which will break your machine -- yes, this discussion can be extended to bridges or whatever have you, this is also besides the point.

So once you run into the proverbial hole, the cheapest approach is to work around it, which is how you get today's mess, and that's pretty much the whole story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Motivations for replacing make range from a desire to replace make's very Unix-philosophy inspired domain-specific language for describing build rules (Unix-philosophy in the sense that it often works by coincidence, but falls over if you do something exotic, like have filenames with spaces in, or have an environment variable with the “wrong” name),</p>
<p>By that definition of "Unix-philosophy inspired", the more naïve software engineer would be led to believe that every piece of software on this earth lies in the same category -- for example, did you ever try accessing a path containing the backslash character under Windows? That yielded some pretty lulzy results last time I tried.</p>
<p>So at the end of the day, whether "engineering" is a null concept or not is entirely besides the point. The point is rather, that attempting to specify things and matters exhaustively, especially of the "general-purpose" kind, is an exercise in madness. And since the sane approach is to work on partial specifications, at some point you'll necessarily run into a hole somewhere which will break your machine -- yes, this discussion can be extended to bridges or whatever have you, this is also besides the point.</p>
<p>So once you run into the proverbial hole, the cheapest approach is to work around it, which is how you get today's mess, and that's pretty much the whole story.</p>
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